Loyola Professor becomes CoH's most hated player
July 12, 2009 - 5:51pm
Check out this article.
Synopsis:
Synopsis:
Loyola Professor David Myers has been playing City of Heroes as part of his research. Which strikes me as a good thing to do. However, he’s been playing his Alt Twixt as… well, only obeying the rules of the game rather than the social rules. This lead to becoming one of the most hated players and recieving death-threats. He’s written a paper on it, and a book is forthcoming, but this article has an over-view of the events plus a link to one of his papers. Myers comes across somewhat naive, frankly. Gaming social groups act like social groups? Yeah, so what? And why shouldn’t they. Myers, from their perspective, was acting like a sociopath with no interest in societal mores.
July 12, 2009 - 6:17pm
#1
I find it difficult to believe it was as completely one-sided as it seems in the article, but it is PVP we are talking about.
July 12, 2009 - 8:55pm
#2
lol CoX pvp
July 12, 2009 - 10:22pm
#3
Wait....CoX has PvP?
July 13, 2009 - 7:39am
#4
I read the article and it's a bunch of crap. He purposely griefs people and then writes a paper about how they got mad. I love the parts where he describes how good he was. The whole thing is a joke and that guy's feeble claim to fame of tormenting pre-teens.
July 13, 2009 - 7:49am
#5
Omni's take:
read article. dumb. publicity whore writer. F him and his family and his mom and his cats and perhaps his pet chimp bubbles...
moving on, there is now a Tim Hortons in NYC and i had my first canadian maple this morning... NOT AS GOOD AS in Canada. your safe Canada... FOR NOW!!
read article. dumb. publicity whore writer. F him and his family and his mom and his cats and perhaps his pet chimp bubbles...
moving on, there is now a Tim Hortons in NYC and i had my first canadian maple this morning... NOT AS GOOD AS in Canada. your safe Canada... FOR NOW!!
July 13, 2009 - 8:01am
#6
"Wahhh Wahhh, no one likes me!"
"I griefed players and they calle me names...wahh wahh"
Craptacular.
"I griefed players and they calle me names...wahh wahh"
Craptacular.
July 13, 2009 - 8:12am
#7
I think I'm going to write a book about University Professors and how they lack common sense and when they behave like douches people tend not to like them. I expect it to be a best seller.
July 13, 2009 - 8:48am
#9
I think I'll pre-order Dragon's upcoming best seller on Amazon
Seriously though, this guy's a douche and a serious asshat
Seriously though, this guy's a douche and a serious asshat
July 13, 2009 - 9:17am
#10
you could have stopped reading here:
"David Myers, a Loyola professor and computer game scholar"
WTF is a computer game scholar? I believe he has the office right next to Peter Venkman.
I for one have never heard of the most hated player in the COH universe, apparently if you are a computer game scholar you can make up titles like that for your self.
From now on please refer to me as the most equivocal player in the COH unverse. I may also dub myself COH professor emeritus.
"David Myers, a Loyola professor and computer game scholar"
WTF is a computer game scholar? I believe he has the office right next to Peter Venkman.
I for one have never heard of the most hated player in the COH universe, apparently if you are a computer game scholar you can make up titles like that for your self.
From now on please refer to me as the most equivocal player in the COH unverse. I may also dub myself COH professor emeritus.
July 13, 2009 - 11:02am
#11
And I'm now officially the player who is the most like Peregrin.....
July 13, 2009 - 11:05am
#12
And you guys can Call me as "Master" and i demand some PL
LOL
Just a joke guys, but you felt offend i blame Pax
LOL
Just a joke guys, but you felt offend i blame Pax
July 13, 2009 - 11:14am
#13
My brother read this story and told me all about it (seriously, he went on for quite some time, lol)....sounds like a realy meany
July 13, 2009 - 11:23am
#15
On the contrary:
He was acting in a way to deliberately grief other players. CoH had made many pleas for players to stop that exact behaviour. What he did basically was to ruin other people's fun. I'm pretty sure that I would get quite a bit of hate if I deliberately sabotaged SFs and TFs (which can be easily accomplished). Sorry Marq, I believe the guy is an pompous ass regardless of PvP or PvE community.
He was acting in a way to deliberately grief other players. CoH had made many pleas for players to stop that exact behaviour. What he did basically was to ruin other people's fun. I'm pretty sure that I would get quite a bit of hate if I deliberately sabotaged SFs and TFs (which can be easily accomplished). Sorry Marq, I believe the guy is an pompous ass regardless of PvP or PvE community.
July 13, 2009 - 11:43am
#16
Well the thing about this guy, is that despite the fact that he was using what GM's and devs have deemed as acceptable PvP practices, he wasn't doing anything that requires skill and only encourages bad behavior and negative reactions. I mean all he did was run around zones and fear villains and then TP them into hostile NPC mobs where the villain would die almost instantly. So yeah, most people would consider that griefing and would elicit negative comments/reactions.
Though as for the rest of what he did, isn't it kinda messed up with how he did his "experiments"? I mean shouldn't he have been observing and had other people actually doing the work? Cause this provides a bit of irony to have his real life name/location revealed when he was getting death threats...
Though as for the rest of what he did, isn't it kinda messed up with how he did his "experiments"? I mean shouldn't he have been observing and had other people actually doing the work? Cause this provides a bit of irony to have his real life name/location revealed when he was getting death threats...
July 13, 2009 - 12:09pm
#17
Well - I can't comment on this guys use of PvP(mostly because I've never been). It seems he had a predetermined goal to "experiment" by griefing players to prove his theory "players are social misfits". Like many overeducated acedemics, he just wanted to prove his pet theory, not provide an unbiased look into gaming. I heard today on the radio, that on-line gaming is growing faster than any other liesure activity. Not sure if this is true, but evidenced by my recent joining, at least, some might conclude this to be true(perhaps I'm a "social misfit", which O.K. by me).
I'm sure he is happy to be published. Perhaps he go away and never grace us with his awesome presence in-game.
Wow that sounded almost coherent - someone blast me with a energy ray or something, quick before I start to take myself seriuosly!!
P.S. I blame Pax!!
I'm sure he is happy to be published. Perhaps he go away and never grace us with his awesome presence in-game.
Wow that sounded almost coherent - someone blast me with a energy ray or something, quick before I start to take myself seriuosly!!
P.S. I blame Pax!!
July 13, 2009 - 12:43pm
#19
I want him to try another experiment.
Lets see how many social misfits take the bus in any major city.
Lets have him ride the bus everyday for a month. He'll then proceed to elbow people, stand/sit too close to them, talk really loudly to people, cut in line, step on toes, and take people's seats... all technically legal activities.
I want to know how long he'll survive.
What poor scientific method.
Lets see how many social misfits take the bus in any major city.
Lets have him ride the bus everyday for a month. He'll then proceed to elbow people, stand/sit too close to them, talk really loudly to people, cut in line, step on toes, and take people's seats... all technically legal activities.
I want to know how long he'll survive.
What poor scientific method.
July 13, 2009 - 12:49pm
#20
The guy used tactics that have been debated and discussed by players, and often become flame wars, on the official forums. Things like TPing into NPC's or droning are despised by probably 95% of the player base, and when you have some player that uses this tactic they end up becoming notorious and despised.
Pinnacle had something similar to this, there was a player who would target villains and TP them into groups of Longbow and then pin them via force bubbles or other repel powers. There were threads calling this player out, rallying other players to beat the snot out of him, ect. Heroes in the PvP zones would help the villains to chase off this player. It was one of those rare times when players who hated each other would team up and help out each other.
So yeah, while these people were doing things considered legit by the devs...the players have developed their own set of rules and code of conduct that pretty much anyone followed and these guys went in the face of that. People went into these zones to have challenges against other players and have some sense of enjoyment out of it - and these sort of deviant tactics were the opposite. Players got pissed off because it was no fun to be killed repeatedly by NPC's and earn debt and also have no chance to do anything in the zones. And if you can't chase the person off, you get even more angry and either you end up leaving the zone or you vent somewhere about it all.
Pinnacle had something similar to this, there was a player who would target villains and TP them into groups of Longbow and then pin them via force bubbles or other repel powers. There were threads calling this player out, rallying other players to beat the snot out of him, ect. Heroes in the PvP zones would help the villains to chase off this player. It was one of those rare times when players who hated each other would team up and help out each other.
So yeah, while these people were doing things considered legit by the devs...the players have developed their own set of rules and code of conduct that pretty much anyone followed and these guys went in the face of that. People went into these zones to have challenges against other players and have some sense of enjoyment out of it - and these sort of deviant tactics were the opposite. Players got pissed off because it was no fun to be killed repeatedly by NPC's and earn debt and also have no chance to do anything in the zones. And if you can't chase the person off, you get even more angry and either you end up leaving the zone or you vent somewhere about it all.
July 13, 2009 - 1:08pm
#21
So in essence, what he's calling social misfits is in fact the community banding together to create its own social rules and ensuring consequences to those who flagrantly break those rules.
Again, he's got some pretty flawed method. I wonder what kind of a research grant he got for this?
Maybe I should have studied to be a professor of gameology.
Again, he's got some pretty flawed method. I wonder what kind of a research grant he got for this?
Maybe I should have studied to be a professor of gameology.
July 13, 2009 - 2:04pm
#22
Yeah, where do I sign up for that job?!
It would beat mine for sure!
It would beat mine for sure!
July 13, 2009 - 2:21pm
#24
You guys are already Prof's of gameology, Just no cool grant money or published papers(excepting this fantabulous forum) to prop your views. Perhaps you do not need to be propped. Perhaps your ego is strong enough to not require such props. or....
Maybe we are all in the same social "misfit" category, and can not see his point of view. or....
I don't care what the putz writes about, as long as I'm having fun pounding "evil" its good enough for my myopic point of view.
Apparently he needs these things, like we need to play.
Maybe we are all in the same social "misfit" category, and can not see his point of view. or....
I don't care what the putz writes about, as long as I'm having fun pounding "evil" its good enough for my myopic point of view.
Apparently he needs these things, like we need to play.
July 13, 2009 - 2:52pm
#25
July 13, 2009 - 2:57pm
#26
Perhaps even more interesting than the article are the comments posted below it. The comments range from "All online gamers are fat, lazy, unemployed couch potatoes" to 'All gamers are the next round of bazillionaires in the making".
I think this guy is a complete toolbag just based on the way that the article is so one sided and self aggrandizing (sp?). I understand that he was supposedly conducting an experiment, but I think his findings are about as revolutionary as declaring that water is wet.
I think this guy is a complete toolbag just based on the way that the article is so one sided and self aggrandizing (sp?). I understand that he was supposedly conducting an experiment, but I think his findings are about as revolutionary as declaring that water is wet.
July 13, 2009 - 3:04pm
#27
... I think his findings are about as revolutionary as declaring that water is wet.
I'm constantly amazed at the number of grants that get given out for studies that determine things like:
People who are rude don't get served as well in retail outlets
or
Using less safety gear while rock climbing increases the risk of injury
or my favourite:
Eating fast food exclusively, and agreeing to upsize even if you're not hungery, will have detrimental effects on your health.
July 13, 2009 - 3:44pm
#28
How about we try for a grant to determine if for extended periods of time affects your social abilities(for instance if you play all x2 exp weekend long will you loose sleep, get grumpy, be short with family, affect work performance on Monday, etc.). My theory is that adverse effects are not recognizable(sp) for at least 48 hours.
You can live on Monster and sugar for extended periods, can't you?
You can live on Monster and sugar for extended periods, can't you?
July 14, 2009 - 6:42am
#29
...
You can live on Monster and sugar for extended periods, can't you? :pray:
You can live on Monster and sugar for extended periods, can't you? :pray:
I'll settle for some really good espresso.
July 14, 2009 - 7:07am
#30
I'll settle for some really good espresso.
THIS! 




